young top leaf issue.

[JAWS]

any one have an idea what causes this issue.

 

 

temp 72f

humid 50%

1000watt hps 3 feet above plant's.

 

got 5 plant's doing this and not to worried i have seen this before and it usually fixes it's self but i'd like to know what it is and what causes it so i can fix the issue.

 

 

 

 

any help would be great  ..

 

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by JAWS

[JAWS]

humm no comments.

 

do we not have an edit button for our post ?.

 

 

 

 

peace  ..

[Zoot]

Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. And the following can all contribute to the problem. 

Over-fertilizing

High Heat

High Light
Overwatering

Underwatering

Or it could just be a genetics issue, that is if only 1 strain is acting this way. I feed 100% the same out the door and can see how some love it while others struggle with the watering and soil I provide. 

[Zoot]

9 minutes ago, JAWS said:

humm no comments.

 

do we not have an edit button for our post ?.

 

 

 

 

peace  ..

[JAWS]

ok thanks brother.

 

well i think no on the bugs so i do not think that the cause.

 

ahh no to these as well

 

High Heat

High Light
Overwatering

Underwatering

 

how ever the over fert could be something to look into, i have not feed these sense going into there new pot's how ever the soil was mixed prior to planting, was not excessive but ya the soil was mixed. i'm only watering at this point and will continue to only water for at least another week to ten days. like i was saying when i do see this it "USUALLY" goes away after i get going good, was just trying to avoid it all together if i could.

 

awesome thanks for edit area brother.

 

 

 

 

peace  ..

 

 

[highdihigh]

As per @Zoot's reply - @JAWS did you recently move the plants under the 1000W ? 

Looks like heat problem but as the temp is mid 70s - presumably at leaf level ? -

then my guess is too much light, hence the query as to when they were moved under 

1000W. Dim the light a bit or raise it somewhat for a few days. They will recover, even if left

as is - as you've discovered in the past - as they acclimatise - but this will  knock them back a bit.

I'm not 100% sure on this but looks pretty much what I've seen in my own grows occasionally.

Just my 2 pence - good luck.

 

 

 

[JAWS]

thank you brother.

 

yes were just moved into the 5x5 under a 1000 w hps after being in the closet under 2 two foot floros, so ya that could make sense. thing that don't jive is the fact that it's really mild in the tent and that temp was at the top of the tent were i keep the thermometer so just above the plants would most likely be even a bit cooler. but the light intensity could be the BINGO moment and that fact that's its only a couple plants they could just be a bit sensitive to the wattage at this time. no way to dim the light i do not have that type of system, also today things are getting moved over into the 4x4 which only has a 400w hps light so that if that's is the issue then moving them there could be the answer for them for now.

 

 

 

thank you very much  ..

[JAWS]

okokokok big fucking problem here, need help and/or any advice.

 

ok so my babbies were looking off so i decided to give them a watering. and this is what happened.

 

the run off from 60 small plant's.

 

so after that i pulled a plant from it's cup and seen this shit.

just look at those poor roots they are just dead as dead can be, now i have no idea what all that other shit is. looks like a spiders nest with a bunch off eggs in it, i'm pretty sure this is some king of mold or fungus just not at all sure.

 

 

may just kill everything in this round and start some new strain, big lose here would be my last ALIEN COOKIES F1 seeds, other then that ya not all the worried about.

 

 

 

 

any thoughts  ..

 

 

[texasjack]

 

I never seen anything like that. I've seen roots look like that from root rot being too wet but not that white stuff. I'll look see if i can find  anything on the web.

[xxxMEMNOCHxxx]

Looks like some sort of mycelium. 

[JAWS]

ya those little white balls are freaking me out for-sure, and the overly bright yellow mushrooms are strange as well.

 

was in panic mode and hour ago but now if i cant fix it FUCK IT i'll just take a little down time and run some of the seeds i'm just about to harvest. again big loss here would be the lose of my last ALIEN COOKIES F1 seeds.

 

 

 

 

 

live-n-learn  just need to learn something from it first  ..

[Zett]

Is that the same MG soil you have been using every time in previous runs?

 

Did you break one of those root balls up and check if they are more white\healthy on the inside ?

[JAWS]

yup same MG soil but brand new bags EVERY TIME i never reuse soil ever.

 

no i have not broken one up but i will right now, just a sec.

i do not see any, any where.

 

a shot of the bottom.

 

i have tipped out 12 cups and they all have this going on, some worse then other but ya all on them seem to have it.

 

now the 4 clones do not.

 

 

 

 

peace  ..

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by JAWS

[Zett]

20 minutes ago, JAWS said:

yup same MG soil but brand new bags EVERY TIME i never reuse soil ever.

 

no i have not broken one up but i will right now, just a sec.

i do not see any, any where.

 

a shot of the bottom.

 

i have tipped out 12 cups and they all have this going on, some worse then other but ya all on them seem to have it.

 

now the 4 clones do not.

 

 

 

 

peace  ..

 

 Damn sorry man...I had some issues finding soil and bought peat moss to make a mix myself and also bought a few random bags at HD in the summer. One of the mixes (Vigoro) I had laying around for a few weeks and it looked similar all around when I opened the bag. I threw it away, this kind of reminds me off it. I also recommend to stay away from any "Black Gold" soil mixes or worm catings. Pretty sure that shit introduced fucking fungus gnats which Im still battling a little...

 

This here looks like a semi healthy root that turns brown:

 

 

I would at least try to carefully take all that soil off and transplant the Alien cookies into something fresh, maybe even coco for now or just different fresh soil if they hold value to you. How old are they since you planted them? 

 

 

[BC Boy]

@JAWS-looks like Fungi mycelium and the white balls could be the spore producing structures-sporangia etc. There are various shapes of structure depending on the class of Fungi. Got a hand held microscope i.e. one you would use to see trichomes? If so have a look-you'll see miniature mushroom shaped things etc if it is Fungi asexually reproducing and making spores.

 

[JAWS]

so maybe wiping scraping the sides and putting in fresh soil could help. yes mushrooms are in there as well strange bright orange ones.

 

will at the very least try to save my AC with some new soil.

 

 

 

 

 

i'll get to it  ..

[crownpoodle]

@JAWS is it all of them, or have you got that far? If it's on all I wonder the source?

[JAWS]

17 minutes ago, crownpoodle said:

@JAWS is it all of them, or have you got that far? If it's on all I wonder the source?

ya id say all of them, all the ones that i checked are like that so ya id say so.

 

did transplant the ALIEN COKIES but not going to do that with all 60 plant's ahh just fuck that, if there not looking better by Wednesday then i'm going to kill them all and start new seeds once there dried and out of the buds. not going to let this kill my mode i'm looking and probably my best ever grow and not going to let anything kill my mojo. shit happens and we die or move on i'm going to just move forward no matter how it turns out.

 

 

 

 

onward  ..

Edited January 10, 2022 by JAWS

[crownpoodle]

@JAWS I had to do a reset and start more seeds too. Trying to get a couple Bodhi/Bad Dawg Death Stars to go. Maybe...

  I'm looking and wondering if I should splash another pack or 2 if something. If I'm thinking about it, I know what's next.

[texasjack]

5 hours ago, JAWS said:

ya id say all of them, all the ones that i checked are like that so ya id say so.

 

did transplant the ALIEN COKIES but not going to do that with all 60 plant's ahh just fuck that, if there not looking better by Wednesday then i'm going to kill them all and start new seeds once there dried and out of the buds. not going to let this kill my mode i'm looking and probably my best ever grow and not going to let anything kill my mojo. shit happens and we die or move on i'm going to just move forward no matter how it turns out.

 

 

 

 

onward  ..

 

Maybe some bad soil w some funk in it. I heard of it happening.

 

I buy peat mix it w perlite thro a little lime in.I used promix 1 time and went back to P & P.

[shaggy]

46 minutes ago, texasjack said:

I buy peat mix it w perlite thro a little lime in.I used promix 1 time and went back to P & P.

I don't have a lot of faith in ready made soil bags either.

I use peat, perlite, lime and some coarse sand to help with drainage.

 

Phosphite and chitosan may help both are anti-fungal and not a pesticide.
I think you could save them maybe, never had that happen before.

 

Seem your soil is not drying out fast enough.
 

I hate to say it but this may be caused by high humidity I can not say it is for sure without being there with ya.

May be time to opt for a bigger dehuey.

[shaggy]

6 hours ago, Zett said:

fucking fungus gnats

BT is good for those.

https://growgreenmi.com/monterey-bt-biological-insecticide-32oz-conc-omri?gclid=CjwKCAiAz--OBhBIEiwAG1rIOpqShNQZCtFGqekdvyne1bwUleX00fotdlYCoTcloTZv1rYsqsFzBhoC6nUQAvD_BwE

Also cut the top off a plastic pop bottle and invert it and place it back on the bottle.

Tape the edges so they can not get back out.
Like a yellow jacket trap.

Put about 1 inch of apple cider vinegar in it.
Let it sit/ferment a day or so and the little buggers will fly in the trap.

[Pot Boy]

Bummer bro!  I would gently wash the root ball with water for the plants you are trying to save then plant in soil, coco... I've had success in the past with washing the root's of funky soil..  Good Luck!

[Orion]

I would wash everything off of the plants you want to save...wash them out until they look like they came out of a cloner...and transplant into some better medium.

As far as a company like miracle grow goes I learned a long time ago to NEVER trust a company like that to have any kind of quality control of where their soil comes from who mixes and packages it...they source that stuff from many different sources all over the country with zero consistancy or set standards. Personaly it would of took me about ten minutes to f'n kill everything, sanitize and start over.   All you need to do is buy a quality Spaghnum peat...course perlite and a bag of white powdered garden lime...mix your medium yourself and never look back...T Jack can give you his recipe and you will never have anything like that happen again. Best of luck getting back on track.

Edited January 11, 2022 by Orion

[shaggy]

2 hours ago, Orion said:

As far as a company like miracle grow goes I learned a long time ago to NEVER trust a company like that to have any kind of quality control

I agree, Miracle grow is scotts, aka bayer-monsanto