Jump to content
knucklehead bob

Louisiana coroner claims first case of THC overdose death, others doubt finding

Recommended Posts

knucklehead bob

A coroner in Louisiana claims based on autopsy results, a woman in the state could be the first person to die from a THC overdose.

The main ingredient of cannabis (marijuana), the St. John the Baptist Coroner told The New Orleans Advocate the 39-year-old woman showed she was killed by an excess of THC.

The coroner claims there were no other signs of disease or intoxication which could have led to the death other than THC and it could be the first death as a result of overdosing on the compound.

However, some officials are casting doubt on the belief. A former senior policy adviser with the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy told The Advocate given the "billions" of times cannabis is used each year, its unlikely the woman died from a THC overdose. The policy adviser also said it is a common mistake when coroners don't find other signs of death.

 

https://nbc25news.com/news/nation-world/louisiana-coroner-claims-first-case-of-thc-overdose-death-others-doubt-finding?fbclid=IwAR0MuuvIIrF6i9HckxIMOZu6LhNtoRjwfxwBokpvttEJB-gKoLgBMdPbwV4

 

Did a LaPlace woman overdose on marijuana? Coroner says so; experts disagree

Every so often in the U.S., a claim emerges that there’s been the “first ever death from a marijuana overdose.” 

The latest such claim comes from LaPlace.

St. John the Baptist Parish Coroner Christy Montegut said last week that toxicology results for a 39-year-old LaPlace woman who died in February showed that she was killed by an excess amount of THC, the main active ingredient in marijuana.

“It looked like it was all THC because her autopsy showed no physical disease or afflictions that were the cause of death. There was nothing else identified in the toxicology — no other drugs, no alcohol,” Montegut said. “There was nothing else.”

The woman's name was not released.

Montegut, who has served as the St. John coroner since 1988, believes this could be an index case in medicine, perhaps the first death on record solely as a result of THC exposure. 

Some drug researchers and experts are skeptical.

Keith Humphreys, a former senior policy adviser at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said that with the vast amounts of marijuana consumed in the U.S. every year, it's hard to imagine that more overdose deaths wouldn't be occurring if THC was toxic at consumable levels.

“We know from really good survey data that Americans use cannabis products billions of times a year, collectively. Not millions of times, but billions of times a year,” said Humphreys. “So, that means that if the risk of death was one in a million, we would have a couple thousand cannabis overdose deaths a year.”

Humphreys also said it's not uncommon for coroners to see a drug in the system, with no other sign for what might have caused an event leading to death, and so conclude that the drug was the cause.

"There's always some imperfection in these kinds of assessments," he said.

The National Institute on Drug Abuse — a federal government research institute — says there’s never been an adult death attributed to THC.

In Louisiana, at least, Montegut's report appears to be the first to attribute a death to THC alone, according to state Department of Health spokesman Robert Johannessen. All other deaths he’s seen recorded with THC mentioned involved a combination with some other drug.

Reports of deaths due to THC tend to pop up across the U.S. every couple of years. One notable claim came from Colorado in 2017, when an 11-month-old boy died after his inflamed heart went into cardiac arrest.

Headlines were made across the U.S. because a case study said the baby’s death may have been “associated” with marijuana exposure. The study’s authors were quick to note, however, that didn’t mean the baby died just because he was around marijuana, even though the THC in his system seemed to be the best explanation for why his heart was inflamed.

Montegut didn’t suggest THC was partly responsible for the death in the LaPlace case.

“I’m thinking this lady must have vaped this THC oil and got a high level in her system and (it) made her stop breathing, like a respiratory failure,” he said.

Montegut said the THC in her system likely came through a vaping device with highly concentrated THC oil. A toxicology report said she had 8.4 nanograms per milliliter of blood.

Impaired driving can occur with as little as 2 nanograms of THC per milliliter, according to at least one study. But even more than four times that level shouldn’t have been nearly enough to be fatal, according to Bernard Le Foll, a professor and scientist at the University of Toronto who studies addiction.

“That number is not very high,” Le Foll said. 

While there's not a specific threshold considered by experts to be a lethal dose, based on his research, Le Foll estimated that any threshold would likely fall between 100 and 1,000 times higher than the THC level found in the LaPlace woman’s blood.

Past estimates have suggested that a person would need to smoke more than 20,000 joints to reach a potentially lethal THC toxicity.

Still, there's no way to be sure how much THC was in the woman's system when she died, Le Foll said, because by the time an autopsy was done, the THC concentration, which falls quickly, had certainly gone down. 

Marijuana continues to have a Schedule I designation at the federal level, meaning it has "no currently accepted medical use," according to the federal government — even though numerous states have moved to legalize it for medicinal uses or for recreation.

Louisiana has recently taken steps toward allowing marijuana for medicinal uses, starting after former Gov. Bobby Jindal signed a bill in 2015 that created a framework for distributing medical marijuana.

Bid to let patients inhale medical marijuana clears state House, heads to Senate

The state’s program has not delivered medical marijuana to patients yet. However, a bill making its way through the Legislature looks to make getting the marijuana a little easier.

Montegut suggested lawmakers might want to think twice about moving that bill forward, saying, “If you’ve got a 30-day supply of THC in there with an inhaler, you can just keep puffing away.”

Humphreys doesn’t see any reason to be concerned.

“Let’s assume (that the woman died from THC) is a fact,” he said. “What do you conclude from that? It doesn’t justify really anything from a policy viewpoint. It’s just so incredibly unlikely

 

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_c695d6e2-7c0f-11e9-b608-d75bc0466efa.html

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tynehead Tom

LOL at that stupid coroner

with the number of joints of power weed I smoke every day I should be dead long time ago

 

THC overdose hahahaha

there is some real fuckin quacks out there with medical credentials and it's hard to believe they can be so stupid..... yet still go on to become "professionals"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Captainmorgan

The idiot couldn't figure out what killed her so it must have been that devil weed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Coastal

Yeah I’ve seen people eat a shit ton weed not knowing it was weed... my one buddy is probably 250lbs and are quite a hand full of 20mg gummies before my other friend that had them realized he wasn’t actually listening when he said there was weed in them,lol, he went from the loudest guy in the room to a pale white greenish ghost of himself that could barely be heard ..  but he slept it off after being awkwardly high for the rest of the day.

 

in fact the first time we made the Indian drink Bhang with creme  and butter and spices we didn’t know you only use a bit to flavour teas etc and drank coffee cup portions and tried to play a live set at a party... party got real quiet and we realized we had stopped playing and no one noticed lol.. all just staring at the wall/floor holding guitars lol luckily the small crowd drank it too.. 

 

i do remember people wanting ti go to the hospital from eating weed, but none of them died from not making it, and those that did returned with horror stories of bright lights ,awful charcoal drink and a steady background of laughter from nurses and doctors that don’t believe you you are going to die...

 

pretty common at the vet too, my pet is acting all crazy or puking! It’s going to die! Noooo it’s just ate your stash,lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Kingfish

I was in CO when Cannabis went recreational. There were no mg dosage limits, a Cheeba Chew was 100mg and a Peanut Butter Buddha Bar was 300mg of THC. Even with those dosages and people consuming multiples x ???, I have yet to hear of a THC overdose. There were people literally diving out of windows like the Lion in The Wizard of Oz... Actions and results were from overindulging, but the actual THC  was never lethal. I can think of only something like super high CBD levels having “The Grapefruit Juice Effect” with the Cytochrome P450 enzymes and either intensifying or nullifying effects of other medications that could turn deadly in theory. But still that would be the actual levels of benzo, statins, or other meds in the system IMO? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Enoch Warlock

I am ashamed to be from this backwards ass fucked up state....

 

Just scheduled my appointment with one of the 7 approved medical marijuana approved doctors in this state.  Have to drive 3 hours to the middle of nowhere on October 21, soonest appointment I could get locally was April, 2020...mother fuckers....

 

No docs or other state recommendations or cards valid here in the asshole of the united states....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Kingfish

As you seem to be well aware @Enoch Warlock, you probably won’t be able to find a state that isn’t backwards and fucked up brother ?? Really just to what degrees in which ways.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Enoch Warlock

I agree @Kingfish and I have lived in Colorado, Cali, New Mexico and Arizona as well as Nicaragua, Qatar, Iraq and Belgium during my Navy career, so to say that I have been around is an understatement but I am from Louisiana and currently live here and I promise you that it is by far the most backwards ass, country fuck, good ole boy run state in our pathetic union....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Kingfish

I totally hear you @Enoch Warlock, but it’s amazing that Louisiana holds the jewel that is NOLA, maybe not quite what it used to be, but musically, culturally, and it’s cuisine - changed my life forever. One thing that still blows my mind is that there is literally 0% attempt at recycling (just one day in the city during Mardi Gras - ouch) But I guess at least they’re honest about it and not pretending like most places ??? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Enoch Warlock

I feel very fortunate that I grew up close enough to New Orleans to go there nearly every weekend after I got a drivers license.  The culture, architecture, music, food all so incredibly diverse yet perfectly blended together.  I had no idea how unique New Orleans was until I grew up and got out into the world.  New Orleans has this amazing energy about it that no one who visits can deny and when I am away I miss it so much!  That energy is both light and dark, you have to take the bad with the good especially if you live here.  I have many friends who came here to visit years ago and felt the attraction so much that they moved here.  The laws are nuts, the streets are horrible, the institutionalized poverty is so sad and as a result the crime is bad but I love New Orleans.  I have been here through the worst and best of times...

 

We did get recycling bins for a few years before Katrina but not after.  Some of the suburbs are recycling again but so far the city is not.  The politicians are criminals and the city is beyond broke because most of the businesses have moved to the parish I live in next door because the taxes are cheaper, it's safer, roads are better and the cops show up within 2-3 minutes of a call.  In New Orleans they may show up within an hour if you report a shooting otherwise you will wait for 4-6 hours if you need a police report.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Twisted

Over dose death from thc 👎👎 1000 years never a death from thc overdose for a reason, cause it simply dont happen. I dunno personally but i call BS!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use Guidelines Privacy Policy and We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue..