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On 2/21/2019 at 7:57 PM, Enoch Warlock said:

I don't know about international laws but in the US, this has no teeth.  International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants 

The courts ruled long ago that you cannot get patent or proprietary protection on ANYTHING that exists naturally in the world SO No one will EVER get a patent on a plant unless it contains a majority of synthetic genes.  This is why the Pharma industry doesn't research medicine derived from naturally occurring DNA.

That makes good sense, but what about breeders rights, I had info on thata subject somewhere.:hi-computer-smiley-emoticon:

 

On 2/21/2019 at 8:08 PM, chasenakes said:

my instincts tell me that legalization will make home growing, collection and protection of varieties more important than prior.

The smart ones know whats up right @Tynehead Tom

 

This is very very sad for me, as I always wanted a sharing comunity.

I finally meet like minded people I can truly trust after years of hiding things from even my best of friends.

Check out this killer I got from my buddy, friends reply who? we know everybody you know.🤔

Uhh, a guy at work, .............they knew, but were cool and did not ask to many questions.

 

Today, my best advice to friends would be Quit givin' out your good shit!

Maybe quit selling the hard to get stuff too.

And you ought to be collectin'!

 

So how does that work anyway?

Give me your best but I aint got nuttin' fer you??????

Oh boy, what are we letting happen???

Legalization is a bad joke!

In 2014, I stood tall and proud and the biggest international Cannabis website in the world and shouted at the top of my lungs.

Vote no to legalize cannabis or else!

I tried to warn them @Tonygreen

They called me names and threw stones, even skunkman took his shots at me but I stood my ground.

They wanted me to slip up for an easy ban hammer but I knew it and I wasn't going down like that.

I can be a real thorn in the side over there, especially since I hang here all day now.:smoking-a-joint-smiley-emoticon:

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Enoch Warlock

Breeders have no rights other than the right to make promising crosses and selections to share with the larger community..... IMHO

 

I am a man of Honor and Integrity, if I want to use someone else's work in mine I will politely ask and come to an agreement with said breeder and then share the profits if the creation sells.  Simple as that.  If they say no then I will never buy their seeds again and I will find something else to work with.  All the popular varieties out there are already sold by multiple breeders.  I am not paying to use Chem or Blueberry or Skunk or any one of the many other omnipresent strain in the pool but if someone has something unique or heavily worked or is uniquely stable like say @Tonygreen's Gorilla Bubble then I will ask politely and hopefully come to terms with said breeder.

 

With that being said....

 

Hey @Tonygreen, I have a fantastic GB BX4 male that I would like to use to make some crosses, mind if I PM ya?  Muahahahahahahahaha

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36 minutes ago, knucklehead bob said:

 

A bunch-o-commie pinko fags born outta wed-lock slime  🤪  

 

 

Now @knucklehead bob

Be nice ok?

Socialist sypathizer homosexual bastard (not a cuss word) and slime was ok too.....😜

1 hour ago, Enoch Warlock said:

this has no teeth.  International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants

@Enoch Warlock I wanted to expand a bit here.

Good point, it has been said "good luck inforcing you I.P. rights."

Gonna need some money, but if federal legalizes big money may get involved.

I in fact believe they are pushing/lobbying for it, as the model has proven itself profitable, and a grand profit it would be......LOL


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3 minutes ago, shaggyballs said:

Good point, it has been said "good luck inforcing you I.P. rights."

Gonna need some money, but if federal legalizes big money may get involved.

I in fact believe they are pushing/lobbying for it, as the model has proven itself profitable, and a grand profit it would be......LOL

 

The concept of "open source genetics" or "royalty free strains" may need to be explored in the near future.

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29 minutes ago, chasenakes said:

The concept of "open source genetics" or "royalty free strains" may need to be explored in the near future.

Now that you got me thinking Apple grows its software from open-source seeds.

 

@Enoch Warlock

Quote rob clark

 

Agribusiness is excited at the prospect of supplying America's 20 million Cannabis users with domestically grown commercial marijuana. As a result, development of uniform patented hybrid strains by multinational agricul- tural firms is inevitable. The morality of plant patent laws has been challenged for years. For humans to recombine and then patent the genetic material of another living or- ganism, especially at the expense of the original organism, certainly offends the moral sense of many concerned citi- zens. Does the slight recombination of a plant's genetic material by a breeder give him the right to own that organ- ism and its offspring? Despite public resistance voiced by conservation groups, the Plant Variety Protection Act of 1970 was passed and currently allows the patenting of 224 vegetable crops. New amendments could grant patent holders exclusive rights for 18 years to distribute, import, export and use for breeding purposes their newly developed strains. Similar conventions worldwide could further threaten genetic resources. Should patented varieties of Cannabis become reality it might be illegal to grow any strain other than a patented variety, especially for food or medicinal uses. Limitations could also be imposed such that only low-THC strains would be patentable. This could lead to restrictions on small-scale growing of Cannabis; commercial growers could not take the chance of stray pollinations from private plots harming a valuable seed crop. Proponents of plant patenting claim that patents will encourage the development of new varieties. In fact, patent laws encourage the spread of uniform strains devoid of the genetic diversity which allows improvements. Patent laws have also fostered intense competition between breeders and the suppression of research results which if made pub- lic could speed crop improvement. A handful of large cor- porations hold the vast majority of plant patents. These conditions will make it impossible for cultivators of native strains to compete with agribusiness and could lead to the further extinction of native strains now surviving on small farms in North America and Europe. Plant improvement in itself presents no threat to genetic reserves. However, the support and spread of improved strains by large cor- porations could prove disastrous.

43 minutes ago, Enoch Warlock said:

Breeders have no rights

Vice magazine revealed that on Aug. 4, 2015, U.S. patent number 9095554 was granted for a cannabis cultivar that contains significant amounts of THC — the very first of its kind ever granted. Vice reported. "A spokesperson for the U.S. Patent and Trade Office confirmed that officials are now accepting and processing patent applications for individual varieties of cannabis.

 

As you stated @Enoch Warlock no teeth, but as I stated for how long???

 

What is patentable? 

Cultivars that are exclusive to the breeder and have unique characteristics are patentable from now on, based on the precedent set by U.S. Patent 9095554.

 

Legalization will bring advancements, too, such as tissue culture, and cellular division and replication (not genetic modification), which will allow for the production of millions of like specimens that are all-female, sterile in that there are no bugs or disease infestations, and are perfect examples of a given cultivar.

These plants will be patented, branded and will come with exclusive licensing agreements and contracts for royalties, which again leads to exclusivity.

 

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Tynehead Tom

my advice

don't snooze on the genetics that float your boat.

and when you get them in hand, make seeds for yourself and your friends.

Take a few hundred seeds of each project and divide them in 4. Store 3 packages in unrelated, non grow, trusted locations in the deep freeze. Keep one package on site and store it appropriately. Every 10 years do a reproduction pheno hunt and repeat the whole process.

I'm 50 this year so I should have no trouble setting myself up with enough genetic material for the rest of my growing years. That and when I can't physically grow my own, I'll need to lay a pile of beans on someone younger so they can grow it for me hahaha

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Mine toughts about Sam are not great,am encounter he haves huge ego...  this is not a trait of some quality person or breeder in the end..

 

too much of me,myself and I in his replys,then he breeded out Skunk trait and made line totaly unrecognizable and nonusable..,

also those rumors about him as a snitch somehow comes as a qey to a lock,am belive there is some truth..  then his egoistic hate toward Neville,

am belive that Neville is better breeder than he will ever be so i sense he is turbo jelly..

 

am gived him trust with buying a Ancestral Skunk #1 and i buyed 4 packs as i wished to look at old school skunks,

he breeded hole field with those Clark guy that writed so many books on Cannabis... then you will expect those mofos

know their shit in breeding departement but they created billion seeds with hard hermi traits..

 

Words of SkunkTheSamMan was if you use hermi plants than you will get hermi progeny...  and in the end he and his friend

breeded hole field of hermis..  so i loosed totaly respect for him and his work as his claim alone for self he is some legend

breeder,resin breeder..  while reality is totally upside down..

 

Also those Phylos dont look like some usable tool for anybody,i dont get a shit what is all about...  to me more credit haves

Seedfinder so i know to read full lineage of some cross and to know what genetics are inside and geneology..

 

This same words i can tell him directly in face,am not impressed with his huge ego BS..  and will rather sees Neville and that he puts

some of his old work back,i belive that results from growing Neville genetics will be great if not amazing..

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Tynehead Tom

K is it just me or is something really fuggered up going on with this phylos thing.

I just randomly started checking the genetic profiles of watson's submissions.

I stopped at 6 of them. Reason being that in every single cloud we find an OG kush .... like the Kush Co OG Kush

I mean how can a landrace from nepal, from kazakstan, from vietnam, and a bunch of other far off places all share a lineage with these OG kush's

Not probable to me , not even remotely.

I also notice the test dates for every single sample is 2016.

In the real world.... at least mine..... I really have no use for Phylos and what it represents or is intended for.

The novelty of it is kinda neat I guess.

For me Cannabis is like lego and I'm perfectly fine with making hybrids on hybrids for my personal stash. Playing with flavors and melding favorite lines together like a multi flavored bowl of ice cream hehehe.

I do take my preservation and IBL work very seriously though but most of that I keep offline for good reasons.

 

I would like to see a legit cut or two of Breeder Steve's Shiskaberry and Plum Bud entered into the galaxy to see what came after and is related. I think some folks might be very surprised. What I'm surprised by is that it hasn't been entered yet...... and also.... why do none of those guys seem to know the true origin of the legendary BC Kimo ?

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xxPeacePipexx

These fukers might capture the vastness of the genome, but just like the human genome, it might be mapped. Yet its not understood even in layman terms. Without the spirit, this shits worthless commodity.


Star plants have a universal signature ...

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16 minutes ago, xxPeacePipexx said:

Without the spirit, this shits worthless commodity.

 

PRAVDA !  😎

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1 hour ago, knucklehead bob said:

 

PRAVDA !  😎

Hey that is the wrong kind or red @knucklehead bob


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23 hours ago, shaggyballs said:

Vice magazine revealed that on Aug. 4, 2015, U.S. patent number 9095554 was granted for a cannabis cultivar that contains significant amounts of THC — the very first of its kind ever granted. Vice reported. "A spokesperson for the U.S. Patent and Trade Office confirmed that officials are now accepting and processing patent applications for individual varieties of cannabis.

 

As you stated @Enoch Warlock no teeth, but as I stated for how long???

 

What is patentable? 

Cultivars that are exclusive to the breeder and have unique characteristics are patentable from now on, based on the precedent set by U.S. Patent 9095554.

 

Legalization will bring advancements, too, such as tissue culture, and cellular division and replication (not genetic modification), which will allow for the production of millions of like specimens that are all-female, sterile in that there are no bugs or disease infestations, and are perfect examples of a given cultivar.

These plants will be patented, branded and will come with exclusive licensing agreements and contracts for royalties, which again leads to exclusivity.

 

Everything the US Patent Office does is subject to court challenges.  First off, until the US Govt removes Cannabis from The Controlled Substance List, the patent won't stand one day in Federal Court.  When and if the US Govt ever does so the Patent Office may then begin to issue possibly enforceable patents but the criteria to receive a patent is going to have to be a lot more than just being particularly high in THC.   When people/corps try to enforce these patents through the courts each patent will be scrutinized and decided upon until enough cases go through the courts to set precedents.  They may use precedents from food plant patents that withstood challenges or were enforced to begin with.  I would imagine though that the Big Cannabis Corps will tailor a policy initiative they would like enacted and then pay millions to lobbyist to stiff arm congress into turning their initiative into legislation that is friendly to them and very unfriendly to the little guys.

 

As the US Govt moves toward this legalization they will already be tailoring federal regulations and taxes.  Once this legislation passes the states where cannabis is legal rec or med will have to conform to the NEW US Govt rules, regulations and begin to collect the Federal taxes which will be similar to alcohol and tobacco taxes, sin taxes ie HIGH taxes....  States will sue the Federal government and the entire thing will be up in the air until it slowly all moves through the courts.  How it all ends up will be just like Alcohol and Tobacco, regulated & taxed by Govt at EVERY level and controlled by big business.  I would guess this process will take another 10-15 years to play out.

 

Since there is a well established network of black market weed production and distribution it will continue to supply better, cheaper weed to the populace.  This network will grow exponentially with the decriminalization just as it did in Colorado and California.  I saw results of a study the other day that said the Colorado black market was 10-15 larger now than it was before legalization.

 

The only way they could overcome this network is to raise the penalties for growing and selling cannabis to extreme levels and then spend billions of dollars more than they do now hunting down black market growers and dealers while at the same time telling the public it is ok to smoke weed,  but only corporate weed.  SO looks to me like no matter which way it goes, the end result is going to bad for people like us unfortunately.

 

I will be quietly sitting on the sidelines watching the show as I work to acquire the genetics I desire and preserve them for my future here at home and also regularly transport seeds down to my friend Warren in Jamaica which is my fall back island paradise in case the Socialist take over my country....  That's my plan and I am sticking to it hahahahahaha

 

 

 

 

 

 

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At the moment in California and Colorado the higher quality black market weed is commanding 2-4 times the price per pound compared to  dispensary weed.  They will probably just even out as the Federal regs and taxes ice the legal cake unless for some reason the black market production goes down and I don't see that happening, if it does, the black market weed will still be more expensive but it will continue to be so much better that most seasoned smokers will pay the price for the quality, as they are doing right now.

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47 minutes ago, Guest Hindsight said:

Pigs spreading disinformation and ill will. 

 

Dare I ask?

What do you perceive as disinformation?


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